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'The Legend of Farfur', or 'Why I Proclaim Checkmate Upon the Infidels'

May 7th 2007 13:42
Note: I have updated the article, the original can be found down below. The reason for the edit is because there was some elements of truth to the original article I was responding to on another blog. Some parts of the original article was in fact false due to my rash reaction, I didn't expect there to ever be a rational response to the original video since it seemed to have picked up momentum with hate sites, inevitably CNN, BBC and other major news outlets did provide the fuller picture.

Propaganda is something that has existed with us for many years, propaganda for kids was probably first put into effect during World War 2 via Looney Tunes. Take the following video for example,




That is one of the many propaganda cartoons released throughout the years of animated television, to instil a since of duty and pride amongst kids who may be losing hope in front of a seemingly indestructible enemy.

Farfur, the controversial mouse, is a throwback to classic propaganda for kids, while the more modern alternatives employed by the likes of Hollywood for kids and adults has evolved to something more like ' The Legend of Zorro' rather than relying on cheesy and subtle as a rhino examples which is what has landed Farfur into all this heat.

While in one scene he may be proclaiming Palestine will rule the world, in another scene he's encouraging children to go out and get a good education to take over the world. It is actually something that blurs the line between downright dangerous and simply amusing.


Farfur never is encouraging suicide bombings specifically or anything of that sort, he is encouraging national pride, especially for broken and battered Palestinian kids who have probably all but given up hope in the face of a seemingly indestructible enemy. While he may promote getting up and defending oneself he also encourages getting an education.

Giving Hope To Kids?


I am not trying to defend the show, though it isn't about brainwashing kids to kill people, it's about creating national pride, a feeling of strength in front of an enemy that has been oppressing them for so long.

Despite being blunt and right to the point it is probably no more dangerous for children’s mentality than what they are exposed to on a near daily basis already and at least it gives them hope, something Hammas has been doing really well at for Palestinians.

At the end of the day Farfur is really no more than a perfectly understandable response to the amount of bullying that goes on against the Palestinians against the IDF, while I am very pleased to report the show has been taken off the air it will not solve the fundamental problem that is present in Palestine.

Kids will always stay strong, they'll see that they are oppressed and they will fight back, with or without Farfur, if Israeli politicians are worried about Hammas breeding terrorists then they should take a long hard look at themselves and see the obviousness of the truth. The only reason Hammas is breading terrorists is because they are giving Hammas and the entire nation of Palestine reason to want to revolt and fight back in self defence.


Original Article:

While being sponsored by less than trustworthy characters (namely Hammas) 'Farfur' (the show about the evil terrorist Muslim Mouse) appears to be no more than an average children’s show that has, like lots of other things Islamic, been warped around by hate groups to make it yet another attack against Muslims.

Lets get right into the meat shall we?

Heres a search for 'Farfur Muslim' on Google

Every result is from right wingers, hate groups, you name it, if they don't like Muslims and they have a website, they have Farfur.

Now lets look at CNN

Nothing? This can't be right!

OK, what about the BBC?

Nothing again? This can't be right, oh I know! Corrupt liberalism infiltrating the media!

Ok, how about a conservative news source? Lets try TimesOnline (UK).

Again nothing?

Hmm, perhaps the entire media is corrupted with liberalism...

Or maybe even ultra conservative journalists are not stupid enough to believe the gesture Farfur is making here to imply he's holding an AK-47:

Farfur The Terrorist


So there you have it folks, some dude got clever with the Photoshop, added the 'subtitle' to the image of Farfur making a pointy motion and said 'yep, Farfur is pretending to be carrying an AK-47'.

Like all good rumors the god damn thing went completely ballistic as it made its rounds and ended up on Orble's very own conservative nutcase blog.


You know whats truly sad? Some people are still going to contest this and make claim that is what Farfur is teaching, the very fact certain people went so far to write about it in depth without even knowing the name of the show beforehand speaks for itself.
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Comment by youranter

May 7th 2007 14:06
"Your so called fundamentalist Islamic enemy doesn't exist." Gee, I wonder what fool wrote that? And now the same fool claims Hamas is playing with children's TV shows. Because they are political and not religious. Doesn't Hamas believe in Islam?

Comment by Ahmed

May 7th 2007 14:10
Umm, say what?

You're just acting the part of the sore loser right now aren't ya?

You're wrong here, this is no more than a rumor that was blown out of proportion based on a single photoshopped picture.

The only enemy that exists is the enemy that takes away my rights, which is what George Bush has been busily doing the last few years.

Comment by Ahmed

May 7th 2007 14:12
bleh, you didn't actually read it did you?

I wrote in thea rticle while Hammas is sponsering the show there is no propoganda in it, there is no 'blow this up' there is no advocation of violence.

If there was it would be in the mainstream medai, it isn't, what we have up until now is this photoshopped image that has been taken as a joke, then taken seriously, then trumpeted up to the point it is now.

Not a signle mainstream (conservative or otherwise) news outlet has mentioned Farfur, rightfully so, whats said about it is purely false.

Comment by youranter

May 7th 2007 14:20
Looks like I pushed a button or two here. Is it so far out of your dream world to believe TV sponsors can't influence the shows they sponsor? And you never did answer my question about Hamas being Islamic. The quote was written by you Ahmed, in case you forgot. Sore loser? Hardly. I just like to see you squirm.

Comment by Ahmed

May 7th 2007 14:27
umm, what?

OK, someones having illusions of grandiuer.

Lets see, George Bush has legalized torture, admitted to taking tax payers money to build secret CIA prisons, has started a war that eats up more money in a week than the US would spend on education in a year.

Lets go further?

Takes money out of social welfare which has resulted in 18,000 Americans dying a year as a direct result of the lack of health care. all in the name to 'hunt down' an escape artist responsible for killing 3000 people 5 years ago, so in the pursuit to catch a man who killed 3000 the US has by way of passive stupidity let die 90,000 people.


I have no doubts sponsors can manipulate whatever it is being sponsored, however Hammas isn't exactly an evil group like you make it out to be, and desperately so. This TV show they sponsor is testament to the fact they aren't involved in mass propaganda as you claim, you and every other Muslim hate group might I add.

If it were real I'd have expected to have heard about this eons ago, probably from CNN or the BBC, heck, I'd settle for the Times paper.

Nothing.

All this anger is based off a manipulated image that you can see before you.

Comment by Brenton

May 7th 2007 22:30
I'd still lioke to see that show for myself, although at the moment is looks like most the claims made about it were totally bogus.

Comment by Ahmed

May 8th 2007 00:17
They were, I would have really expected a show brainwashing kids to make the news the world fucking over.

Nothing will stop these outright lies, this goes right up there with Obama supposedly being a Muslim and raisedin a hardline Islamiic school, and beyond even.

Would be hard to get your hands on the show, and I'd imagine it'd go through the hands of these hate groups before you got it hence it wouldn't really be trust worthy.

On the other hand maybe not, I mean if it's going to have english subtitles then you'll know it's fake.

Comment by Damo

May 8th 2007 00:49
I am laughing so hard that I cannot stay on my seat.
Tears are rolling down my cheeks.

Did anyone mention the 'C' word 'Credibility.'

The image is obviously edited in photoshop and any professional can see the mistakes a mile away.

1-The subtitles are in the wrong position and out side the' text zone'.

2-the text is a different resolution than rest of the picture. Impossible if they were to be sent via television.

In short Busted.

A honorable person would issue an apology at this point and remove the offending material.

However if it a person so blinded with prejudice and bigotry they may choose the keep the egg on their face out of spite.

Comment by Ahmed

May 8th 2007 00:54
Damo, even someone who doesn't know the first thing about graphics design could point out the blatantly obvious fact the subtitle is in English yet the show itself has never received any circulation outside of Palestein.

But you're right, all of it adds up.

You know they wouldn't even admit to being wrong, that Farsi is not a type of Arabic. After I showed them wikipedia they claimed it was inaccurate, after which I showed them five different websites showing how Arabic is a different language, no response. Which is more than I expected.

Maybe they'll learn to start calling people from Arabian areas 'Arabs' instead of 'Arabic', doubt it though.

Comment by Anonymous

May 9th 2007 11:02
You may want to check CNN and the BBC again. The story has made it there now.

Comment by Ahmed

May 9th 2007 11:04
yep, once the ball starts rolling in the wrong direction the momentum just keeps it going that way.

Atleaset the CNN, BBC ones are a bit more level headed, so there was some element of truth in the original videos.

So I'll be updating this asap.

Comment by Anonymous

May 9th 2007 16:04
Really Long Link

If it is manipulated, it is not a manipulated image, it is manipulated VIDEO! Someone's been busy, covering every single frame with subtitles.


Comment by Anonymous

May 10th 2007 00:01
The Palestinian Government last night shelved a controversial children’s show aired by a Hamas television station in which a Mickey Mouse lookalike calls for Israel to be vanquished and Islam to “lead the world”.

Looks like your self proclaimed "checkmate" was premature.

Really Long Link

Comment by Ahmed

May 10th 2007 00:46
This was a response to another article about how the show promoted kids go blow themselves up, the checkmate stands, even if it has slightly less effect.

Interesting they actually took it off air.

Comment by Anonymous

May 10th 2007 02:28
Looks like everyone has picked it up now:

Really Long Link

Sorry, your checkmate failed.

Comment by Ahmed

May 10th 2007 03:26
My checkmate was not against the show itself, it was against the article written about the show which is false regardless of who picked it up. I automatically assumed from the original article that the whoel thing was just falsified though I know I'm wrong in that regard, there were some elements of truth to it

Comment by Anonymous

May 11th 2007 18:50
Why in the world would you automatically assume that the whole thing was falsified? Sounds like you have an agenda of your own to promote.

Comment by Ahmed

May 12th 2007 01:25
Yes I do, it's called fair and balanced.

The original article I read had nothing to prove the facts, no link, no name, nothing. I did some research and the whole thing seemed to be nothing but false information, it was being pushed on only hate sites and the like.

I was wrong, there was an element of truth to it, however it still is nothing like what many of the hate sites are declaring it to be.

Comment by Brenton

May 12th 2007 08:33
I give Ahmed kudos for including the original post.

I would like to say too that the blogger in question has a habit of making drastically wild conclusions from facts that have been exaggerated.

I don't agree with the show though, and I'm pretty glad its gone off air.

Comment by Anonymous

May 13th 2007 23:32
Ahmed will someday learn about all the lies he's been taught along with all the violent followers of the false prophet. His entire defense falls apart once you see:

Really Long Link

But since the moderator of this Lie Blog is Ahmed himself,
you'll never see this!

Comment by Ahmed

May 14th 2007 00:09
If you really think I'm this evil censoring maniac then you sir are a moron.

Yes, I've been taught oh so many lies, I guess thats what happens when you read books and whatnot, should I sit down and listen to some bigot spout out anti-Islamic rhetoric and take that as truth?

Anyway, I hold dear that whats different between me and bigots is that I'm not afraid of the truth, even if the truth isn't nice to hear. I can admit to being wrong and I most certainly will stand up to what I say, I'm better than those who want to deport me (to where I don't know) and I don't see any reason why I shouldn't just stay better than they are.

Comment by Anonymous

May 14th 2007 12:05
How can you say this isn't propaganda? National pride with an AK47? I do agree that America has had its fair share of propaganda, on both the conservative and liberal side. Heck, that's how it works. I'm also not surprised that they are telling the kids to go out and fight. However, I think it's quite pathetic that they keep ripping on the Jews. There are plenty of other HUGE Islamic countries surrounding Israel. Israel is a fricken' spec of dust amidst these giants. Why do they keep bugging them? I'm sure Israel has done some stupid things but they are acting out in fear. I have friends in Israel who say they are torn between two nations (ones Jewish the other a Muslim) when there should just be one unified country. This cartoon is not giving these kids propaganda of unification and peace, they are spreading false pride and hate. Why can't Farfar encourage unity? Islam is already seen as an "evil" religion, let's not fan that fire.

Comment by Ahmed

May 14th 2007 12:10
I never said this isn't propoganda, I said it was propoganda.

Second of all, how can Farfur teach unity when the IDF breaks into their homes on a regular basis, kills their relatives and terrorizes them?

Israel being a speck has nothing to do with anything, Israel has a very advanced army funded by the US, if the US took out the funding it gives Israel that would be that for Israel, it will crumble, fall apart, it runs under a war economy that is funded almost wholly by the US.

Comment by youranter

May 14th 2007 13:17
Comment by Ahmed, "I wrote in thea rticle while Hammas is sponsering the show there is no propoganda in it, there is no 'blow this up' there is no advocation of violence."
Comment by Ahmed, "They were, I would have really expected a show brainwashing kids to make the news the world fucking over."
Sounds to me like you're denying propaganda. Careful you don't trip as you hastily back up.

Comment by Ahmed

May 14th 2007 13:22
No where in the video is there a segmant proclaiming 'blow yourself up', there is a 'grow up and be a doctor' portion, though.

Actually that is propoganda and I hardly deny it, back in the 60's it was roughly the same 'get into science' not because of the science itself but to beat the soviet union in the sciences.

Comment by youranter

May 14th 2007 20:06
Hardly explains your comment of "I wrote in thea rticle while Hammas is sponsering the show there is no propoganda in it, " does it? Better backpedal a bit quicker.

Comment by Ahmed

May 14th 2007 23:19

Comment by Anonymous

May 15th 2007 05:51
Oops! I spoke with a Arabic, Christian, professor who taps this stuff every once in a while. And he said "Yeah I saw it. All the bad stuff about the middle east is true. I guess thats news." and chuckled. This sort of stuff is why he came to North America. He once said he doesn't care if middle east: the place, the people just disappeared. I don't know his life story but he reaffirmed me that this Farfur thing is just typical.

Something that intrigued me was Farfurs claim in the Palistines role in ruling the world. Why does every sect, local, expect the to stand alone a top the world alone? Has anyone read enough of the Koran to tell me why there is so much disdain between every Islamofacist sect? I don't get the goal of subjugation and purification of the entire world either.

I guess it's not for me to get.

Comment by Ahmed

May 15th 2007 05:58
You can read the Quran all you want it isn't going to make you understand why Hammas or any other political group wants the world all to itself. At least not in the way you think it will.

Fact of the matter is these groups are politically motivated, not religously, they twist words up to make things sound appealing to them then they sell it to people, if people buy it then they have political supporters, so on and so forth.

Comment by Anonymous

May 16th 2007 03:24
I kinda get what you are saying. The political leaders found a gear to turn to keep the people wound. Hmm... if thats it. well that's so common.

The views and reactions are so twisted from what the "civil world" sees. We get our undies a twist over this and that. Then write our electorate, vote, and occationally get into lunchroom debates. They get upset and send their barly literate eight year olds children out to kill and die. We deal with the similar stupid junk and have grossly different reactions.

I was just curious where all the twisting came from? Where did the thousands of years of unrest in the middle east come from? I remember this video of an atheist Arab woman that claimed they are "mentally stuck in the dark ages". Is this more speciffically applied to their political mind?

Comment by Ahmed

May 16th 2007 04:07
Religously the west is only just catching up to Islam, for instance Animal rights, human rights civil liberties and rules of diplomacy before wars started with Islam 1400 years ago.

However there are people who are backwards minded and are stuck just over that 1400 years ago, before Islam in that they are superstitious and pretty hard on civil liberties, it's more cultural and political for them than it is religous, where religion may agree with them they'll exaggerate to the point it is as if thats what the whole religion revolves around.

Since Islam is the religion if you can convince someone who is a Muslim yet knows very little of Islam that Islam allows you to kill innocent people without any real just cause then they'll proabbly follow along. It's interesting to note that because of this cultural and political twisting going on Muslim converts typically know more about Islam than Muslims who were born into a Muslim family.

Comment by Anonymous

May 16th 2007 05:48
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. My vague understanding of the three common middle eastern religions the central characters (sorry I cant think of a better word) worked for peaceful, just and fair revolutions. That seemed to be a common thread. Are folks getting their culture and faith hijacked?

Specificly are you saying certian leaders are mentally homoginizing the weak. Those who have who have solid Muslim roots, values, etc. are intimidated because injected "Islamofacist" holds great streingth in one core peice of Muslim faith/culture? This kinda further weakens the well rounded values of Arab or Muslim people, which brings us to today?

Comment by Ahmed

May 16th 2007 06:02
Yeah, like all religions and groups Islam has its bad apples who are basically using religion as a means to justify things they are doing.

It probably isn't that black and white, even during war collateral damage isn't allowed unless it was completely unavoidable. by that I mean that it was purely accidental and not the result of carelessness in the battlefield.

What happens is for instance the IDF goes and kills hundreds of innocent people then claims it was collateral damage that couldn't be avoided, Islamically that is unallowable because the death of those not involvedin combat was the direct result of carelessness. So what happens is you have these Muslims who are outraged by this and decide to fight back by carelessly attacking and killing innocent people (bombings, etc). This isn't allowed Islamically speaking, it is important to not react to the enemy but act in accordance to the religions teachings since this is what seperates Muslims from other people.

But they are angry and they'll claim it isn't realy collateral damage since all the people are enemies of Islam. The definition of 'enemy' they use is extremely broad. For instance it doens't recognize that a Jew could live in Israel but be completely against the Israeli government, it doens't recognize children are not a part of the conflict and probably even says taht they'll grow up to be an enemy.

Basically they create hypothetical scenarios to justify all their actions, in reality they aren't behaving too differently to the IDF that might say 'well theoretically speaking there might be a man in that building who will kill 100 jews if he's left to live' and then desroys a building with lots of innocent civilians in it.

At the end of the day it's all political, judaism and Islam can and have gotten along simultaneously and can, there is no clashing ideologies (quite hte opposite in fact).

Comment by Anonymous

May 16th 2007 07:11
Hmm... The consistant battles erode the people with a solidly footed family. It may be beneficial to the corruptors to have plenty of innocent bloodshed on their side. Any family solidly rooted may be torn up. This turns the soil so the leaders can form their world.

Yeah, I would imagine both Judaism and Islam have similar rules of engagement but those rules are broken for oppurtunistic jabs. "Jabs" a vast understatement.

Right before I hit the send button this hit me. The facists communists did the same thing (that I mentioned in the first paragraph) but instead killed their people through labor camps. I didn't really understand what some folks were talking about when they said "Islamofacism". If that's what's going is Islam in the same danger the enemies of the facists face?

Comment by Ahmed

May 16th 2007 08:05
Everyones in danger of an oppresive controlling group.

Comment by Anonymous

May 17th 2007 06:45
I haven't got any thing else to ask. Thank you for sharing so much. I haven't really put much thought into the total picture.

Comment by Yonasaon

May 18th 2007 15:15
"I haven't really put much thought into the total picture."

You need to, and I would like to help you find what you need to see it.

So, for the bigger picture, or at least a very small part of it, here are some links everyone needs to have.
TODDLER TERRORISTS-IN-TRAINING
PARADISE CAMPS
"PALESTINIAN" HATE SPEECH DOCUMENTED
___HERE, and
___HERE.

It is important to look at the whole picture, and when you do see a disturbing pattern emerging, you will realize that the mouse is very much a part of that.

Comment by Ahmed

May 18th 2007 15:22
Yonasson, that isn't the whole picture, thats the part you just want to see..

Really Long Link

Really Long Link

The above is what you don't want to see.

Comment by Yonasaon

May 18th 2007 16:31
Ahmed, that really is enough of the picture. I could visually show more, but the photos are too gruesome.

Let's just say that a society that names a border crossing, a soccer tournament, and schools after cold blooded killers is savage and barbaric. There is no other society in the world that so glorifies terror and murder. The religious clerics all call for violence. The politicians all call for violence. they have no economy because all their energies are devoted to causing as much violence as possible. That is truly depraved.

So, yes, I stand by what I say. That is the most important part of the story. If there is another part, it is completely irrelevant in the face of so much brutality.

Comment by Yonasaon

May 18th 2007 19:39
RE: the "13 year old boy used as 'human shield'."

Sorry, Ahmed. They were doing that to try to save, not only their own, but Arab lives. They knew that if they went in, the Arabs would certainly shoot at them, and they would have to shoot back and kill them. The didn't want to do that. They thought if they sent a neighbor in to try to talk them out, it would save both Arab as well as Jewish lives. They assumed that the Arabs were civilized enough not to shoot one of their own. They were wrong. Now that we know they don't even respect the lives of their own people, we don't do that any more.

Now, if it's the real "human shields" story you want, take a look at this.

RE: the movie you posted.

I'm running an ancient Windows 98 that doesn't support that video format, otherwise I would love to watch it so I could pick it apart. But, if you want I can get you some things you won't want to see.

How about that Al Dura fraud, eh?

Or what about how the "palestinians" use ambulances to smuggle bombs for their attacks? And here is a short list of some of the times they have been caught "red handed."
Did you know that, as well as the way they use human shields [that kid the IDF was using wasn't a real "human shield" Ahmed], is a real war crime under international law?

Fake funerals, here, and here to gain sympathy for their war to destroy Israel.

And then there is their fake justice .

It seems that just about everything about them is a fraud. A simple proof that Israel is indeed Jewish land, is that the names of all the cities in Israel are the same Hebrew names they've had for the last 3,000 years, as any ancient history text can confirm.

Anyway, I repeat what I said in my first post. If you look at that mouse in context, it certainly is a part of a larger picture of the terrorist theft of the minds and souls of innocent Arab children.

Comment by youranter

May 18th 2007 20:13
Gee, I thought I was the only one who knew Ahmed is a denier. Relax, Ahmed, this is not directly aimed at you. It is Muslim terrorists who are giving you a bad name. I'm sure Yonasoan will tell you the same. Why not just face some facts and do something to change them rather than get all insulted?

Comment by Ahmed

May 19th 2007 00:43
It's plainly clear that you guys have set your minds to thinking the palestinians are evil and the IDF is the good guys.

I can't help change the delusion of morons such as yourselves and I really couldn't care less. The only thing thats insulting to me is how you guys constantly think that you're right and everyone else is wrong, it's insulting to intelligent people in general.

Comment by Yonason

May 20th 2007 08:06
"The only thing thats insulting to me is how you guys constantly think that you're right and everyone else is wrong" -- ahmed

No, Ahmed. I am not always right. But I have been studying this very intently for 6 years now, and nearly all my life at some level. If I thought that the "palestinian" society in general wasn't evil I would say so.

And it doesn't help when they deny their own existence, and advocate violence as their defining "national" characteristic.
"Throughout his authorized biography (Alan Hart, Arafat: terrorist or peace maker) Arafat asserts at least a dozen times: "the Palestinian people have no national identity. I, Yasir Arafat, man of destiny, will give them that identity through conflict with Israel".

Arab sociologists of the 1950s declared that there is no separate Palestinian people; and what is commonly called the "Palestinian people" is actually part of the Syrian and Lebanese Arab nation (Phillip Hitti)."


BTW - How do you justify teaching children to be suicide bombers? or glorifying murder of women and children? or how the terrorists among you prey upon the your weak as well as ours?

I have no doubt that some ot the "palestinian" Arabs are good people. But that doesn't matter because they aren't the ones in charge. And if they try to be, they end up dead - not by the hand of Israelis, but by some of their own.

Still, as long as they have problems with "honor killings" and endangering the lives of their children , they will have a tough time convincing me the majority are not ignoble.

And, if you want to blame someone for the plight of the "palestinians", their leaders..

Comment by Ahmed

May 20th 2007 08:10
I deal with people like you a lot, a lot, lot. You attack one group of people and never see why they act the way they do since it just feels better to you.

I'm sorry but the six years of research you have been doing comes off across more as six years of bringing into site every little nook and cranny of negativity you can throw at those people.

HItler did the same thing, came up with one negative after another about the Jews, continuously over a period of many years to the point he brainwashed enough people to think he was right and jews were inherintly evil.

Comment by Yonason

May 20th 2007 08:29
"And, if you want to blame someone for the plight of the "palestinians", their leaders.."

Should have been . . .
"And, if you want to blame someone for the plight of the "palestinians", blame their leaders.."

sorry

Comment by Anonymous

May 20th 2007 18:35
My question was more of a why more than anything else. I have already seen the videos of children being coaxed into killing themselves. And the IDF soldiers shooting up a neighborhood. I was just curious why. And I think Ahmed gave a pretty fair answer.

We even see this sort here but it is relitively weak. Slanging will get ya the blng bling, hotties, what ever ya want. Basically we end up with somewhat cowardly gangsters. Most die and don't get what they want, they followed a lie. Few would argue for their defence of their culture because it's clear they are gangsters.

In the middle eastern situation it's much different. The crime is there, they have committed every sin but they claim to do it under their devout faith. It's actually quite sick it's is at the point that they do the most desgusting things and when there is any retribution they say "Hey, this is our faith!" But just like the gangsters few get anything from it.

Hitlers Jungen, People's Will, PLO... I don't know.

I guess, the first who were trampled were the middle easterners who actually are intellegent and have peaceful ambition for themselves and their families.

There are very few who can benefit from these types of lifestyles.

Comment by youranter

May 20th 2007 20:06
"I'm sorry but the six years of research you have been doing comes off across more as six years of bringing into site every little nook and cranny of negativity you can throw at those people."
Well, I guess I'm sorry too that, as fair and just as you claim to be, Ahmed, you won't countenance any negativity at all toward Muslims anywhere. You seem to have a rather selective mind when it comes to being fair and just.
As for Hitler and the boys, the German people are still trying to get over that episode of history, but they sure aren't as venomnous as you are when Islamic or Muslim atrocities occur. Maybe in 60 years, you'll calm down a bit too.

Comment by Ahmed

May 21st 2007 00:36

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